The lefties are salivating at the prospect of Tony Snow replacing Scott McClellen as the new White House Press Secretary but if I were them (banish the thought) I wouldn’t be quite so excited. Tony’s (shock) criticized President Bush. A lefty think tank’s dug up some quotes. At first glance they seem quite constructive and nothing worse than what many conservative pundits (and bloggers) have written. Unlike the left most conservatives have differences of opinion in many varied areas and don’t feel the need to walk in lock step.
It wouldn’t be so bad to have an honest, engaging, quick-on-his-feet press secretary for the president and if Tony Snow’s family and doctors clear it I am all for him doing the job.
Just because Tony’s good natured, kindly and long suffering doesn’t mean he will be a marshmallow as a press secretary. In fact, I predict that if Tony does take the job it’s going to bring up President Bush’s approval ratings.
UPDATE: Great! Fox News is reporting that Tony’s taking the job. That is truly wonderful news.
One day a couple of years ago before my husband retired from active duty he returned home from TDY. I had to go out just after he got home to run some errands so after I got on the road I turned the radio on tuning it to the Tony Snow show even though it was a channel from another city. The reception was pretty good so I was enjoying the show. As I was listening a familiar voice began to speak.
This person was talking to Tony about the weapons of mass destruction that hadn’t turned up in Iraq and explaining to him that while he had been stationed in Europe he had been on the V CORPS Headquarters staff and had seen a great deal of classified information that had convinced him that Saddam was a threat whether or not the WMD were ever found. Tony engaged him in conversation for quite some time and as I listened I realized that it was my husband Tony was speaking to.
A strange moment indeed because I had just left the house and my husband at that moment had been unpacking the car. I realized later that the radio show was taped delayed and my husband had been listening to Tony while he was traveling and was motivated to call in to let him know an officers viewpoint.
That’s another thing that’s tremendous about Tony’s becoming the White House Press Secretary. The man has spoken to so many Americans through his many broadcasts on the Fox News Channel and Radio Network. He understands our viewpoints and possesses similar opinions. He will represent us to the Bush administration and to the national media better than any elected official ever could.
May God bless Tony Snow and his family.
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April 26th, 2006 | #
"Unlike the left most conservatives have differences of opinion in many varied areas and don’t feel the need to walk in lock step"
Have you been living on another planet? John Stewart has made a very good living playing video collections of a host of Republicans using the precise wording of the current talking points.
I'm glad the urbane and funny Tony Snow is healthy enough to take the job, but I sure don't envy him. Scotty did as good a job as possible, considering that his boss routinely misled him. The Press Secretary can't correct the disastrous and apparently irreversible policy decisions that have resulted in two-thirds of our Country viewing this Government as a failure.
April 26th, 2006 | #
"Unlike the left most conservatives have differences of opinion in many varied areas and don’t feel the need to walk in lock step."
Hahahahahahaheeheeheehoohoo! Oh, stop, you're killing me!
April 26th, 2006 | #
yes,i agree that republicans have differences of opinion. Like, should all forms of torture be allowed or just some forms.
April 26th, 2006 | #
"Unlike the left most conservatives have differences of opinion in many varied areas and don’t feel the need to walk in lock step."
Ah, another example of the GOP "No-Spin Zone"
Keep'em coming, I need more laughs!
April 26th, 2006 | #
Is General Casey a Republican? If so you may be right about the lockstep biz. He seems to be trying to stop the KBR practice of importing slave labor in Iraq. We know Halliburton KBR manangement are Repubs. If Casey is too then there's a disagreement in the party.
I thought we settled the issue of slavery 5 wars and 140 years ago. But I guess like torture, secret prisons, even the constitutional boundaries of the executive branch of government there's no legal precedent Bush won't revisit since we were attacked by a subset of wahhabi Sunni Islam.
Sometimes you just have to throw away two hundred years of civilization, constitutional government and international law when threatened by insaniacs.
April 26th, 2006 | #
"The lefties are salivating at the prospect of Tony Snow replacing Scott McClellen as the new White House Press Secretary."
This piece starts off a tripe and continues in the same vein. Us liberals know that under Bush, press briefings are big waste of time. Why anyone even bothers to show up is a mystery to me.
April 26th, 2006 | #
"He understands our viewpoints and possesses similar opinions."
Well I guess if by that you mean he understands our viewpoints and possesses similar opinions to the 32% of the public who are so out-of-touch they still think Bush is doing a good job, you may be right. Here in the reality-based community, Tony Snow is just another Fox News propagandist.
April 26th, 2006 | #
Unlike the left most conservatives have differences of opinion in many varied areas and don’t feel the need to walk in lock step.
ROFL! LMAO! The LEFT walks in lock step?1 HAHAHAHAHA
April 26th, 2006 | #
Nice graphics here though.
April 26th, 2006 | #
Unlike the left most conservatives have differences of opinion in many varied areas and don’t feel the need to walk in lock step.
What color is the sky on your planet?
Ever hear the quote from Will Rogers? "I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a Democrat." It was true then and it is still true.
April 26th, 2006 | #
I think the commenters are correct: you should stay out of political commentary, but stick to graphic design. You at least have some talent in the latter direction.
April 26th, 2006 | #
Where did that herd of trolls come from? Your wonderful graphics and insightful commentary perfectly complement each other.
April 26th, 2006 | #
Lockstep Huh. I seem to recall a Demo President that got us into an earlier useless war and was driven out of office (with the almost assurance that a Republican would replace him) by mostly lefty demonstaters and high officials of his own party leading the exposes of the war. So, tell me how many Republicans are in the streets demanding an end to this unjust war and how many high ranking Republican office holders are calling for investigations into the mechinations used to justify this most un-American war. Puleez, their has never been a more lockstep party than the one that is office now.
April 26th, 2006 | #
"Unlike the left most conservatives have differences of opinion in many varied areas and don’t feel the need to walk in lock step."
I hope you smiled to yourself when posting this absurdity. The reason the right has so much success politically is because of their ability to get everyone saying the same thing. The biggest fault of the Democrats is an inability to project a singular message, due to the many disparate opinions within the party.
That has to be a joke. Kudos. It was a good one.
April 26th, 2006 | #
"And thereupon the middle door of the Black Gate was thrown open with a
great clang, and out of it there came an embassy from the Dark Tower.
The Lieutenant of the Tower of Barad-Dur he was, and his name is
remembered in no tale; for he himself had forgotten it, and he said: 'I am
the Mouth of Sauron.'"
The Lord of The Rings: The Return of The King
"The Black Gate Opens"
J. R. R. Tolkien
April 26th, 2006 | #
Tony Snow was very critical of W. Bush when he didn't cum enough in his mouth.
April 27th, 2006 | #
Yes, the 'left in lock step' comment was bogglingly wrong and ironic.
But it's also important, in its reflection of the delusion of the right wing.
They really think it's true.
It's like their simlarly ironic attack that the left lacks ideas.
I have an experiment for democrats or republicans alike:
Make a list of the top 20 improvements in America in the last century - things the government did. Then, see whether a democrat or republican was president at the time. We've had about half of each party, so it's fair.
My list might include examples from the reduction in racism (legally and culturally), to defeating Hitler in WWII, to the Freedom of Information Act, to the ban of child labor, and unsafe work environments, to the growth of the middle class, to the near-elimination of elder poverty with social security (before, elder poverty was the norm), to Medicare, to the reduction in poverty which was significantly, permanently reduced in the 1960's, to the elimination of Polio, etc.
And what you find is that pretty much EVERY psitive progress occurance was under a democarat - and not only that, but with Republicans at the time usually fighting it, even though they later flip flop and support it, at least officially, while chipping away.
But these sad right wingers are so susceptible to the big lie that they fall for that sort of nonsense. Even today - democrats are in favor of countless things - see Gore or Kerry's many programs - even while high priorities are just undoing damage to the incomes of the middle class and the poor, protecting the environment, and such; they would pursue broad health care coverage for Americans, alternative energies (except, really), etc. Republicans can point to one 'idea', really, other than 'cut the taxes on the ultra wealthy and corporations more': the 'idea' of spreading democracy via war, with their bogglingly incompetent predictions with their lack of planning of the 'flowers in the street', short war, in which the Iraqis will have their society rebuilt and can pay for the reconstruction - while in fact, they're worse off than before economically, far worse off than before our sanctions, with electricity only a few hours a day in Baghdad, oil production below pre-war levels, etc.
The right doesn't realize how much they're manipulated by the propaganda machines telling them how unfairly they're treated and how they should support the right who is on their side against the evil left, even while the right does to suckers what always happens to suckers. By their falling for the lies and supporting evil against others - no concern about the effects of war on other people, no concern about things like the equality in treatment of gays, no responsibility by demanding low taxes and tolerating large corrupt spending which leads to record borrowing crippling our nation in the long run - they support evil agendas of the real leaders of the republican party, unwittingly.
The thing is, they'd need to read more books and such to learn the facts, that it's not their goals that are the issue, it's their falling for the lies of their party which have big gaps between what they do and what they claim they want to do.
April 27th, 2006 | #
Whether liberals are walking in lockstep or not, if #17 is any indication, they are walking in the gutter.
April 27th, 2006 | #
Yes, the 'left in lock step' comment was bogglingly wrong and ironic
It was?
Um, how divided is the left over:
Abortion
Racial Preferences
Raising Taxes
Gay Marriage
Immigration
the role of the judicial branch
Environmental regulation
Global warming
Operation Iraqi Freedom.
In fact, ignorants, I'd like you to name a single issue that divides the modern left.
Go ahead dum-dums, have at it...
April 27th, 2006 | #
Lockstep Huh. I seem to recall a Demo President that got us into an earlier useless war and was driven out of office (with the almost assurance that a Republican would replace him) by mostly lefty demonstaters and high officials of his own party leading the exposes of the war
Oh yes, because a single instance almost forty years ago is a shining example of "intellectual diversity" among you silly leftists.
What is funny is the comments are: "har-har that is like so funny" (as with all your slogans as if repeating it would make it true) instead of a substantive rebuttal.
Don't worry, we know why...
April 27th, 2006 | #
Reading these comments you can see that the left doesn't appreciate being exposed for what it is. But then leftists always react with anger and profanity when confronted with the truth. They're just showing the standard fear response all people exhibit when facing the UNKNOWN.
April 27th, 2006 | #
In fact, ignorants, I'd like you to name a single issue that divides the modern left.
I hear the sounds of crickets chirping.
April 27th, 2006 | #
Doug,
Fear of being exposed would imply that they're cognizent of being wrong. They're collective delusion will never allow for that. The extreme vitriol we always see occurs because we're challenging their very souls. Rudeness is a weak persons substitute for strength, and there's nothing weaker than a leftist.
April 27th, 2006 | #
Since my list of the best twenty things government did would include only instances where government got out of the way, I think we would have a different list and different outcomes as to who controlled the White House at the time.
And flip flops? The best the Demos can claim is the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which during the 50's Lyndon Johnson (as Majority Leader in the Senate) did his best to stop. Even when it passed, a greater percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats.
And we need to reads more books. You funny.
April 27th, 2006 | #
Apparently, the truth hurts liberals quite a bit!
That they are now the group-think lockstep echo chamber to end all echo chambers is stunningly obvious, and a large part of the reason I left the Democratic Party.
Keep howlin', libs. Well aimed shot, blogger - you've clearly found a truth some don't want to admit.
The irony is that they're proving the point by illustrating that not only has Snow criticized the President ... but Bush is comfortable hiring someone with divergent views.
Now let's all go over to DU and post some contrary opinions .... and see just who supports free speech ... and who is skipping along in lockstep.
Thank you, libs. I'll be smiling at your faux indignation all day. And the best part?
Why, the best part ... is that even your outrage was all in lockstep!!
April 27th, 2006 | #
The thing is, they'd need to read more books and such to learn the facts
I loved that.
Mind you, from the author of:
Make a list of the top 20 improvements in America in the last century - things the government did. Then, see whether a democrat or republican was president at the time
Too stupid to see the incoherence.
But what is amusing is the setting up of the false dichotomy and knocking that strawman out of the park and pronouncing it "fact."
Hilarious.
April 27th, 2006 | #
"Make a list of the top 20 improvements in America in the last century - things the government did. "
Therein lies the problem. "The government" does not make improvements. It is individuals, everywhere, that make improvements in all aspects of life. Once that becomes government's role, we are no longer self-governed. Instead, an entity is now in charge of our destiny.
I agree with the previous commentator that government improvements only come when governments begin to get out of the way. Not unlike Ronald Reagan did when he lowered taxes, thus allowing free enterprise to create a healthy economy from the ashes of the one left behind by Mr. Carter.
April 27th, 2006 | #
Hey Prof Blather! Good to see you. I just popped over due to Lorie's link. I'm still just posting lyrics at Poli. Never cruised the blogs much.
April 27th, 2006 | #
If you don't think that libs walk in lock step --try posting a view contrary to the party line at DU.com or Kos.
April 28th, 2006 | #
Hmm, no lefty has answered The Ace's comment at #20:
Um, how divided is the left over:
Abortion
Racial Preferences
Raising Taxes
Gay Marriage
Immigration
the role of the judicial branch
Environmental regulation
Global warming
Operation Iraqi Freedom.
***
How surprising.
April 28th, 2006 | #
I believe the misunderstanding is due to the lefts obssesion with perception and appearances.
Since they have already decided that any thing the right says is wrong, they haven't gone below the surface of any issue to see the spirited debate amoung Republicans. They have no clue what Republicans think or how they draw conclusions. They really don't care, cause Republicans according to them are greedy, evil and stupid. Thus it appears to them that Republicans all say the same thing.
But amoung themselves they each individually have different priorities, the Democrat Party being a smorgasboard of agendas and each of these individuals desperately want Dems to focus on his/her particular agenda, or at least gain power to be able to address their grievances and will, so it looks to them that Dems are disorganized.
Yet, it is precisely because of this fact that Democrat politicians have to present a united front in their communications. There are no basic principles that hold them together beyond their feelings of moral and intellectual superiority over Republicans (which is why so much of their communication is pure demonization).
They often use that Will Rogers quote, which applies to a Democrat Party incarnation that is now ancient. It serves them to freeze their party in the glory days of the past when they can portray Democrats as saints and Republicans as fat-cat racists. They refuse to see that parties evolve and morph over time. They have become their own parents, ossified and unwilling to change or see other points of view. It is quite sad.
So they are justified in their feelings that Dems don't march in lock-step in their actions, but they are wrong when they say the Dems don't march in lock-step when it comes to communication.
April 28th, 2006 | #
The left is clearly divided over whether to say hahahahahaha, rofl, lmao, or what color is the sky where you live, i hope you smiled while posting this absurdity - in response to being accused of walking in lockstep. Then there's the gratuitous o'reilly reference of no spin. That's 6 instances of walking slightly out of step on one comment thread you morons.
April 28th, 2006 | #
"Abortion
Racial Preferences
Raising Taxes
Gay Marriage
Immigration
the role of the judicial branch
Environmental regulation
Global warming
Operation Iraqi Freedom."
If you have spent any time watching C-Span then the above comment shows massive stupidity. There isn't agreement among the party on any of these issues. There are multiple wings of the party and many geographical differences to take into consideration. There are also some Republicans that believe in the things in your 'list'. This method of debate is silly. There is no debate on the fact that US citizens have more varied opinions than you can shake a stick at. What is debatable is the fact that the Republican party, time after time, goes forward, ESPECIALLY ON TV, with the same message. They are disciplined and it shows.
April 28th, 2006 | #
Adam, then it should be quite easy for you to point us to an example of an elected Democrat who, for example, wants to return control of the law to the people from the judiciary.
Or who wants to support our allies in Iraq.
Or who wants to lower taxes.
Or who wants to require photo IDs at the polls (you say there's diversity, let's see it).
Go ahead. Knock yourself out.
***
I voted for Democrats for almost 20 years, and the second--the very second--that I chose to support GWB's war on terrorism, all my buddies thought I had gone over to the dark side.
Since then, I let myself explore quite a lot of forbidden ideas. Any one of them makes me a pariah in conversation in Massachusetts.
April 28th, 2006 | #
LOL, you leftests are so paranoid!
I bet you are always looking over your shoulder for people listening in, or up at the cameras and wonder who is watching you. Let me fill you in, no one cares what you say or think. We pretty much have you all figured out.
Very predictable and lock step, you can see it in your hate filled responses to this column that is about Tony Snow; it's not about you.
If we ever viewed you as a real threat, don't worry, you would not see us coming and it would be over very quickly with no pain... "BOO!"
LOL, you're killing me, hahahahahahahaha.
April 29th, 2006 | #
Wow, this is one big gallon of kool-aid site.
I'm not going to bother responding to the incivil posts.
"Whether liberals are walking in lockstep or not, if #17 is any indication, they are walking in the gutter."
I disavow the poster of #17 - while he's 'on my side', his post is an embarrassment.
Too much of the posting is just nonsensical lies, and projecting. For example:
"Reading these comments you can see that the left doesn't appreciate being exposed for what it is. But then leftists always react with anger and profanity when confronted with the truth. They're just showing the standard fear response all people exhibit when facing the UNKNOWN."
I enjoy being exposed for what I am. Lying about people isn't 'exposing them'.
The leftists don't always react with anger and profanity - in over 10,000 posts in recent years, I don't recall using profanity once, and I generally keep anger pretty low even when deserved.
What about fear and unknown? Why do you think the name for the right used to be 'conservatives', i.e., not crazy about change - though the've lost the right to the word after the modern radicals who have taken over the party.
This is why you have real conservatives, like President Eisenhower's son who voted republican for 50 years, opposing the opponent of Bush in 2004.
As for projecting, note the irony. One righty in 33 posts:
"The left is clearly divided over whether to say hahahahahaha, rofl, lmao, or what color is the sky where you live"
Another righty in 36:
"LOL, you're killing me, hahahahahahahaha."
Ya, it's the left.
Then you have the two-glass kool-aid drinkers like Frank, whose text has his narrow misrepresentations of the left built-in as assumptions.
"I believe the misunderstanding is due to the lefts obssesion with perception and appearances."
It's hard to even make sense of this. Are you referring to the $150 haircut Bill Clinton got which the republicans lied about when they said he blocked air traffic for a long time?
You have to try to make a little more sense if you want your point to be understood.
"Since they have already decided that any thing the right says is wrong, they haven't gone below the surface of any issue to see the spirited debate amoung Republicans. They have no clue what Republicans think or how they draw conclusions. They really don't care, cause Republicans according to them are greedy, evil and stupid. Thus it appears to them that Republicans all say the same thing."
You do this again and again, putting your falsehood in as an assumption.
I don't assume anything the right says is wrong. In fact, I understand well the different elements of 'the right', from the puppetmasters, to the masses who are good, well-intentioned people of many persuasions.
And I listen to what at least the better part of the right has to say, and they not infrequently have a legitimate point to make. You're just wrong again. Now, if you asked me what I agree with Bush on in his policies, we'd be under 5% probably.
Not because of assumption - because of conclusions I reach after analysis.
As for republicans being evil, greedy and stupid - a few are each of those things. We have some on the left, too. No, it's not that complicated - it's about interests.
For example, let's consider one of the administration's main legislative goals it achieved, the new medicare drug bill. It wasn't all that good for seniors - 20% actually spend more under it - but because the republicans insisted on banning the government from negotiating prices, over $100 billion in windfall was guaranteed to the drug companies.
The drug companies are heavily on the side of the GOP in their donations; the GOP paid them back for the help.
Now, evil? How doyou define evil? Is the agenda to put that much extra taxpayer money in your pocket evil? Opinions will differ. Greedy? I think there's pretty clearly some greed there. As usual, it's not a generalization about republicans - far more republicans are losing out on the deal than the few who get the huge windfall. And stupidity? I am not going to comment.
But I don't think the republicans can defend the highly corrupt act itself. And no one likes to admit being duped; and so, the republicans have a very difficult time recognizing when the good principles they believe in are used to 'sell them' a lie.
But when the republican leadership claims the mantle of 'small government', and you all here say "preach, brother!' and vote for them, after the 12 years of Reagan-Bush wastefulness and debt, followed by Clinton balancing the budget, what can one say?
And when Bush 2 yet again adds more to the debt than all his predecessors combined, and you *re-elect* him as he tells you he's the small government guy... there's little explanation other than that you are not rationally noticing the facts in front of you.
It's like they print themselves a blank check, realizing that by saying the right magic words about 'integrity' and 'small government' and 'moral absolutism' and such, they can get away with anything, and you won't notice. You see the propaganda, not the fact.
"But amoung themselves they each individually have different priorities, the Democrat Party being a smorgasboard of agendas and each of these individuals desperately want Dems to focus on his/her particular agenda, or at least gain power to be able to address their grievances and will, so it looks to them that Dems are disorganized."
That's probably the least inaccurate paragraph in the post, but it more describes the left when it's in power. Now, the left is pretty united given the bogglingly horrible Bush administration.
Bush has so trampled on the middle class and poor, the environment, on the protections for citizens' civil liberties and restrictions on his abuse of power and more, that they agree on opposing him. When democrats are in power they can afford to go back to the details.
"Yet, it is precisely because of this fact that Democrat politicians have to present a united front in their communications. There are no basic principles that hold them together beyond their feelings of moral and intellectual superiority over Republicans (which is why so much of their communication is pure demonization)."
The first sentence, again, makes little sense. The republican leadership are so far more controlled, disciplined, and one-voice than the democrats that there's no comparison - on rare occassion does anything come out in opposition, and is news when it does.
The left is getting better, finally, at the sort of 'discipline' that has advantages.
But it's the right that literally has a huge organization. Do you know that Grover Norquist chairs a weekly meeting of dozens of government leaders, lobbyists, and other influential republican figures where they plan the week's "message", the meeting designed specifically to get everyone on the same points and prevent any dissent? That there are faxes between these groups, including sometimes Fox news, on the 'talking points'?
The left, of course, has strong principles - it is the party that led the nation to pretty much all of its improvements in the last century, improving the quality of life for its people and establishing it as the world leader for freedom.
The left stands for the values in the constitution: the distribution of power to the public, working together for the good of society, for the common man, for personal freedoms broadly speaking, for limiting the concentration of wealth and power.
I have a few books to recommend on these topics, not that anyone will read them.
On the principles of the democratic party, try Ted Sorenson's "Why I am a Democrat".
On the right-wing hyper-coordinated propaganda machine, read David Brock's two books.
But the deepest kool-aid chugger is Bostonian. Not surprising, the republicans I know in Massachussetts have a special sort of persecution complex under the shadow of the Kennedys.
But his technique is the same, the built in falsehood assumption.
"Adam, then it should be quite easy for you to point us to an example of an elected Democrat who, for example, wants to return control of the law to the people from the judiciary."
It's called "begging the question", as if there's no question the liberal judiciary has somehow seized power from the judiciary - he's past asking the question, but he's wrong.
The liberal judges are the ones following the law accurately; the right are the radicals.
They have their own radical movement, the Federalist Society, with no left counterpart.
(The ACLU cannot begin to be compared - it practices law, but does not have the sort of indoctrinating seminars which the Federalist societies sponsors everywhere).
He claims the left opposes the 'power' being returned to the people from the court - presumably, e's arguing that the congress should get its way more often, with the judges overturning its decisions less often.
Who are the justices who overturn congress most often? Scalias and Thomas.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your ideological false beliefs.
"Or who wants to support our allies in Iraq."
Nice framing again. How about supporting allies who are NOT in Iraq? Oh, you don't count them. How about supporting the majority of people in our allies in Iraq who want their troops out? Oh, the public doesn't count in representing their country.
"Or who wants to lower taxes."
You know, at a time of record borrowing and debt, we're pretty proudly too fiscally responsible to want to lower taxes and increase debt further - which does not lower taxes, it adds to them, with interest, to be paid back still.
And democrats eventually would be happy to cut taxes, after cutting the huge wastes of the republicans' spending. But this isn't just debate, it's history, insofar as Bill Clinton set us up to be able to cut taxes while Bush has made that an utterly irresponsible idea.
"Or who wants to require photo IDs at the polls (you say there's diversity, let's see it)."
I'll support that, if you will support an end to all the republican corruption of our elections: no more Diebold machines without a paper trail, no more disenfranchisement scandals of minority voters, no more banning felons from voting for life after they finish their sentences, no more 8 hour lines with too few machines in minority neighborhoods while the GOP neighborhoods have 5 minutes or less wait, no more GOP politicians flying their staffs down to a recount to form a mob and violently bang on doors and windows to prevent the law from being followed, as the GOP did in 2000, and so on.
"I voted for Democrats for almost 20 years, and the second--the very second--that I chose to support GWB's war on terrorism, all my buddies thought I had gone over to the dark side."
You judge the left by 'your buddies'. How logical.
What was the vote among democrats to support the war *against the Taliban*.
And oh, by the way, how about your support for the 'war on terror' supporting *Clinton* when at the end of his presidency, he created a war plan against Al Queda after confirming they were behind the Cole bombing, and his administration told Bush's that Al Queda was the #1 priority and threat, and the Bush people utterly did nothing on terrorism for nine months?
Ya, right.
"Since then, I let myself explore quite a lot of forbidden ideas."
That sounds pretty disturbing without qualification.
"Any one of them makes me a pariah in conversation in Massachusetts."
And your point? Post the ideas, not the complaining.
"I bet you are always looking over your shoulder for people listening in, or up at the cameras and wonder who is watching you."
Wow, you sound just like our founding fathers, who chose not to pass all those protections.
Not. You are the voice of the un-American who would trash our liberties.
The right used to take pride in our civil liberties compared to authoritarian societies like the USSR and China, who had elaborate surveillance and restrictions on political freedom. Now the right sounds a hell of a lot like them.
This actually makes sense, as the right has largely been taken over by a group with direct links backward to the Trotskyites who 'went conservative' but kept the same techniques.
The left is in favor of democracy, civil liberties. Proudly.
April 30th, 2006 | #
Aren't you glad the Iraqis have been favored with a little democracy and civil liberties, lately?
April 30th, 2006 | #
Pound that pick
Into your point.
Do that trot,
Ski in his joint.
April 30th, 2006 | #
I'm hopeful for some good to come regarding Iraq and democracy.
I'm concerned and disgusted that the war came at the expense of international law agianst aggressive war, setting a terrible precedent and undermining any attempts at nations resolving these issues short of with might; with the deceipt used; with the selfish and incompetent post-war planning; and the black eye the 'spread democracy' camp has taken because of the bad actions by this administration.
I acknoweldge that there are inadequecies with the United Nations addressing a Saddam, that there are frustrations with wanting to bring democracy to a nation like Iraq under Saddam and having things make that hard to do, as you leave in power for years.
But those are discussions to have, and I do not agree with the administration's approach.
And I do think that we need to get our own house in order first, and that once we do, it will help us in how to help others as well. Not a small part of the world's condemnation of our actions if not because of spreading democracy, but because of wrongs done.
The right seems blind to the danger of the US becoming (even more of) an empire. I think that's a problem. Today, our government can kill millions of civilians with for dubious justifications without any part of our democratic processes stopping them (Viet Nam).
We have a paradoxical conflict between the importance of the US being globally powerful to spread freedom, and the need to prevent that very power from corrupting our nation.
Admittedly, the left may see the latter too heavily; the right seems blind to it though.
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"He could disagree but do it agreeably"...
From our house to the White House, the People's Choice is now the President's Choice, we captioned this image of the late Tony Snow back in April 26, 2006, rejoicing that The host of The Tony Snow Show will now...
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